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stace

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14b and wastegate or 16g?
« on: September 23, 2011, 06:44:32 PM »
I need a turbo cause a grape size gob of gasket maker clogged my oil drain.

I have a choice right now of a 7cm 14b with a 35mm wastegate mounted in a tubular o2 housing with open dump.--can run high boost but only what the 14b will give me.

or a ported small16g? ---more power but no external wastegate.

The 14b cost a bit more. but both are in my ever so tight budget!

I not planning on any bigger turbos anytime soon, and I have a few more important investments right after this, like injectors. So I will have to live with this decision.

which route would you guys go?
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2011, 02:05:16 PM »
Whatever you can find the cheapest.

If you end up buying new, they all pretty much cost the same unfortunately. Maybe you could land a sweet deal on a hx35 ? I don't know what your looking for honestly, but even a bastard 18g or 20g with 16g exhaust wheel.. you know.. Ray Peters abomination turbo (which was quite bad ass i must say)
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2011, 05:28:13 PM »
I actually have these as a choice. My buddys got a 16g forsale, and someone else has a 14b and wastegate. And I need a turbo now.
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2011, 07:28:41 PM »
soo a 14b external or a s16g internal ?
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2011, 08:02:27 PM »
14b external has my vote.
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2011, 09:57:37 PM »
Quote from: Airmail96 on September 24, 2011, 08:02:27 PM
14b external has my vote.

Ya once you go external you really don't want to go back to internal.

Difference between a 14b and a s16g are really moot.
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2011, 11:18:39 PM »
Quote from: hakcenter on September 24, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
Quote from: Airmail96 on September 24, 2011, 08:02:27 PM
14b external has my vote.

Ya once you go external you really don't want to go back to internal.

Difference between a 14b and a s16g are really moot.

Especially with that 7cm turbine housing really letting you get the most out of that thing.
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2011, 07:51:35 AM »
I lost out on the wastegate part of the 14b so I think im going with the s16g. Its proven to be a awsome turbo. Seen it run low consistaints 12s  The 14b I have never even seen run.
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #8 on: September 25, 2011, 01:57:37 PM »
 :clap True, either way though I am sure you'll be happy enjoy the turbo and get that thing running again.
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stace

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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #9 on: September 25, 2011, 06:38:38 PM »
Poopy I picked up the s16g and didnt realize it had its wastegate arm cut and welded for external use! Now I have to run it in my 14b 6cm housing till I can afford a external wastegate!

Plus my other buddy just offered me a scm6152 for the same price! but I already bought the 16G. :spaz
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2011, 05:13:53 AM »
Quote from: hakcenter on September 24, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
Ya once you go external you really don't want to go back to internal.

I understand this is the general consensus in the car world, but why is that? I have had both, and while not pushing big HP as of yet, I didn't have an issue with either or have a preference of one over the other...

Thoughts on the BW EFR interally gated turbos?  DOes it have to do with them not being able to get rid of enough exhaust gasses to run lower boost levels?
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2011, 12:30:13 PM »
Quote from: Kapok6 on September 26, 2011, 05:13:53 AM
Quote from: hakcenter on September 24, 2011, 09:57:37 PM
Ya once you go external you really don't want to go back to internal.

I understand this is the general consensus in the car world, but why is that? I have had both, and while not pushing big HP as of yet, I didn't have an issue with either or have a preference of one over the other...

Thoughts on the BW EFR interally gated turbos?  DOes it have to do with them not being able to get rid of enough exhaust gasses to run lower boost levels?

Better control of boost period. If you've never had a wavey boost gauge, thats nice, but man externals.. you can do so much with them, change springs, sizes, control boost from 14bs to 3065s.. one size fits all type of deal.

Not to mention they are a ton more stable and you get a differently designed exhaust housing.
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2011, 01:05:09 PM »
Id like to go external and prolly will sometime but right now Im gonna fab in a waste gate arm from an old 14b housing and make a bigger wastegate flap.

 I was also thinking nitrous next year instead of getting a expensive huge turbo with lots of lag.  I think the internal waste gate wont hold the extra power so I may have to get an external.
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2011, 02:13:05 PM »
If you want high boost, you want a smaller flapper, not a bigger one.
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Re: 14b and wastegate or 16g?
« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2011, 04:05:00 PM »
I just removed the flapper and arm from a old 14b(may it rest in peices) and Im going to weld it all back together tomorrow. So no stock 14b flapper in a ported 7cm housng. Mabye Ill weld up a o2 with a waste gate dump for it.
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