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anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« on: June 13, 2011, 08:06:14 AM »
I'm wondering if there are any shops professionally tuning using Ostrich, I'm looking to contact them for a genuine discussion about the pro's and con's vs. DSMlink.
thanks

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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 10:23:42 AM »
call around places that tune hondas, ectune, etc
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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2011, 08:09:36 PM »
what area are you in? That will make a big difference in the shops for sure.

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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #3 on: June 19, 2011, 08:10:30 PM »
oh and the ostrich itself has very little to do with tuning Jackal/Werewolf, VS anything else.  It just holds the data that used to be stored in the Eprom.

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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2011, 07:55:09 AM »
I'm wondering if there are any shops professionally tuning using Ostrich, I'm looking to contact them for a genuine discussion about the pro's and con's vs. DSMlink.
thanks

like John H said what area are you in? i'm in the ST. Louis area, so if you are in the Midwest area i could show you a few things....
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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2011, 09:33:27 AM »
He's trying to compare Ostrich vs DSMLink.  He already has DSMLink/plans to go with DSMLink and is just asking for details for future arguments/discussions where Ostrich and DSMLink are mentioned in the same sentence.  He was wanting to know about peoples setups, if they've used DSMLink in the past, the kind of power they make, etc.


This is why I asked for help, but I got a resounding "fuck you" by both DS-Map and DSMECU.com, where not even a single person posted anything negative OR positive in the thread I created.  Hak replied with "ectune" and Jonathon over on DSMECU gave some speech about how his site isn't about the Ostrich it's about the development of the DSM ECU code. 

Anyway, carry on. 
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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #6 on: June 21, 2011, 07:26:34 AM »
He's trying to compare Ostrich vs DSMLink.  He already has DSMLink/plans to go with DSMLink and is just asking for details for future arguments/discussions where Ostrich and DSMLink are mentioned in the same sentence.  He was wanting to know about peoples setups, if they've used DSMLink in the past, the kind of power they make, etc.


This is why I asked for help, but I got a resounding "fuck you" by both DS-Map and DSMECU.com, where not even a single person posted anything negative OR positive in the thread I created.  Hak replied with "ectune" and Jonathon over on DSMECU gave some speech about how his site isn't about the Ostrich it's about the development of the DSM ECU code. 

Anyway, carry on.


oh ok, i guess it would help if i read the whole post, lol...

personally i have tuned with dsm link on some friends 2gs and it sux, IMO....

it is confusing and you can't really do much as far as tuning in the idle and light throttle areas, only WOT is where you can make adjustment to your fuel and timing, i know there is a direct access, but i didn't go into that to see what all i could adjust....

just my $.02.....
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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2011, 10:33:37 AM »
He's trying to compare Ostrich vs DSMLink.  He already has DSMLink/plans to go with DSMLink and is just asking for details for future arguments/discussions where Ostrich and DSMLink are mentioned in the same sentence.  He was wanting to know about peoples setups, if they've used DSMLink in the past, the kind of power they make, etc.


This is why I asked for help, but I got a resounding "fuck you" by both DS-Map and DSMECU.com, where not even a single person posted anything negative OR positive in the thread I created.  Hak replied with "ectune" and Jonathon over on DSMECU gave some speech about how his site isn't about the Ostrich it's about the development of the DSM ECU code. 

Anyway, carry on.

Not to shun, but lets get honest. Its DSMTALK. I will never visit them again, lol @ people saying my software will put viruses on their cars. Those people are not interested in learning something new, innovative. Only clamoring around with 'what works', and 'why would i use anything else'. I'm surprised these people have upgraded wheels, I mean.. wood spoke wheels work why use anything else.
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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2011, 10:48:29 PM »
He's trying to compare Ostrich vs DSMLink.  He already has DSMLink/plans to go with DSMLink and is just asking for details for future arguments/discussions where Ostrich and DSMLink are mentioned in the same sentence.  He was wanting to know about peoples setups, if they've used DSMLink in the past, the kind of power they make, etc.


This is why I asked for help, but I got a resounding "fuck you" by both DS-Map and DSMECU.com, where not even a single person posted anything negative OR positive in the thread I created.  Hak replied with "ectune" and Jonathon over on DSMECU gave some speech about how his site isn't about the Ostrich it's about the development of the DSM ECU code. 

Anyway, carry on.

Not to shun, but lets get honest. Its DSMTALK. I will never visit them again, lol @ people saying my software will put viruses on their cars. Those people are not interested in learning something new, innovative. Only clamoring around with 'what works', and 'why would i use anything else'. I'm surprised these people have upgraded wheels, I mean.. wood spoke wheels work why use anything else.


Viruses in cars!  Wow...  Thats why I rarely go to DSMtalk.  I'm sure Hack has much better things to do than develope viruses and implement them in Werewolf and Jackal.  Where do people come up with this stuff...
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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2011, 03:01:16 PM »
He's trying to compare Ostrich vs DSMLink.  He already has DSMLink/plans to go with DSMLink and is just asking for details for future arguments/discussions where Ostrich and DSMLink are mentioned in the same sentence.  He was wanting to know about peoples setups, if they've used DSMLink in the past, the kind of power they make, etc.


This is why I asked for help, but I got a resounding "fuck you" by both DS-Map and DSMECU.com, where not even a single person posted anything negative OR positive in the thread I created.  Hak replied with "ectune" and Jonathon over on DSMECU gave some speech about how his site isn't about the Ostrich it's about the development of the DSM ECU code. 

Anyway, carry on.

Not to shun, but lets get honest. Its DSMTALK. I will never visit them again, lol @ people saying my software will put viruses on their cars. Those people are not interested in learning something new, innovative. Only clamoring around with 'what works', and 'why would i use anything else'. I'm surprised these people have upgraded wheels, I mean.. wood spoke wheels work why use anything else.

They are to bussy swangin off dsmlinks nuts, alot of those people are close so if  one hates something they are "follow" the leader.

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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #10 on: July 01, 2011, 02:27:52 PM »
I hear ya on the "talk". Got the perma-ban a while back, for proving an all mighty "mod" wrong hahah. Didnt hurt my feelings lol.

But If the shop cant figure out Jackal/ostrich i wouldnt want them anywhere near my car...

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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #11 on: August 05, 2011, 06:12:48 PM »
I offer emulator/chip tuning service.
I am in dallas.

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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2011, 08:29:36 AM »
I'm wondering if there are any shops professionally tuning using Ostrich, I'm looking to contact them for a genuine discussion about the pro's and con's vs. DSMlink.
thanks

Like already mentioned you would be trying to compare Jackal/Werewolf v. DSMLink V2/V3. I've been a professional Link tuner since '05, so it's very possible my opinion is slightly bias. I will, however, try not to come across this way. Let me start off by saying I have only tuned 1 DSM on Jackal/Ostrich and I've never used the Werewolf software.

I'll start off with something i read in this thread. 

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personally i have tuned with dsm link on some friends 2gs and it sux, IMO....

it is confusing and you can't really do much as far as tuning in the idle and light throttle areas, only WOT is where you can make adjustment to your fuel and timing, i know there is a direct access, but i didn't go into that to see what all i could adjust....

This is a very uneducated statement. By not going into the Direct Access portion you basically were working with the very basic V2 DSMLink. The Direct Access portion has all of the timing/fuel maps, idle control using coolant enrichment tables, full isc control based on coolant temps, base tip in TPS adj and a few more very key tables as well. I didn't see anything in Jackal that couldn't be done in V3 Link. They share many of the same tables because those are what we need to tune.

Another thing I noticed is with the fuel injector sizing. With DSMLink you enter the % increase in injector flow and the deadtime in microseconds and you're done. I was using 850cc FIC injectors on the last car I tuned with Jackal and for the car to run correctly I had to input 605cc injectors with a deadtime increase of 900us over the stock values. The car runs perfectly like this, but why the huge deadtime and 250cc decrease in injector flow? I don't have the answer to this.

Logging works well in both. Slightly easier and more user friendly in Link with customizable line colors, thickness, preferences, etc. The white background in Jackal makes it difficult to see certain colors. I'm not sure if this is user-changeable or not. To review the log/data in both is pretty similar as well. You can record and scroll back using the graphing data or review it in spreadsheet form which can help tuning go a little quicker in most instances.

I don't have much time right now, but I will say that Jackal did the job converting from a MAF to SD on the 1g in my garage, but it did take me a little longer than I expected. That could be because this is the first time I've used it as well.

Don't bash another product until you are 100% on all of it's functions. I heard good things about Jackal/Ostrich which is why I wanted to tune this 1g. It works quite well. Some things work differently than in Link, but that doesn't mean they don't work. It's a nice product and I'll hopefully be the local Jackal/Werewolf tuner, so I can get more knowledge of the software.

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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2011, 08:28:47 PM »
If i remember correctly every 100uSec is 0.1ms pulsewidth.

Weird to use that much deadtime and then still lower the injectors, what was your base pressure ? Fuel type, E85 I presume ?
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Re: anyone professionally tuning with Ostrich?
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2011, 06:33:49 PM »
If i remember correctly every 100uSec is 0.1ms pulsewidth.

Weird to use that much deadtime and then still lower the injectors, what was your base pressure ? Fuel type, E85 I presume ?

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