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Make your own Shift-Box
« on: February 04, 2011, 08:39:42 AM »
I figure this would help out all the Auto guys that have a dead TCU and need your car running now, or you want to the basics on how to make your own Shift-box.  This is public information, and to be honest I am surprised there is not more threads on how to do this.  There are certain people out there, that are charging OVER $100 for their shift boxes, when honestly it only costs like $10-$15 to make yourself.  Yeah.  Talk about profit.  Well, screw them.  We are Jackal users, so we believe in getting something that does the same thing as the high priced crap, for next to nothing.  Complete list of parts you'll need.  It's short!

-Some extra bits of colored wire.  Red for power, orange for one solenoid, yellow for the other is how I did it.
-Two toggle switches, or any kind of on/off switches.  I like the plastic toggle switches because they switch easy and don't lock up like the metal ones do
- Either vampire clips, or get out your solder and soldering gun.  Your choice!  I used V-clips so I can take all of it out easily if I need to, but soldering is fine as well.
-Wire strippers(duh) and female crimp connectors for the toggle switches.


That's it.  Seriously, that's all a shift box is.  Nice of them to charge over $100 for basically the same thing right?  You are simply powering the two shift solenoids, and that shifts the transmission.  Now that's out of the way, here's the rest of the directions. 

There should be a triangle shaped plug on top of your transmission, and there should be three wires that come out of the top connector. Pay attention to the colors of these wires, they should be solid orange, and another should be yellow with a baby blue stripe. These are your A and B solenoid wires. Trace these to your TCU. It should be on the first plug of the TCU, where you find the wires. A picture of what I did is below.



Notice I have spliced into four wires. The Yellow and the Orange wires are the two solenoid wires. Run these two wires to their own separate switches. Now you'll notice I've spliced into a red wire, and a solid blue wire. The reasoning for this, is they are both power wires, and both of them shut down with the key off. I didn't want to chance running either solenoid on low voltage, so I gave each solenoid it's own power wire. You can use these wires, or you can find your own. It's your choice.

Run your power wire to one switch. One for one.

And viola! You are done! Easy right? Since I'm not a smoker, I used what was left of my ashtray, and a piece of a dashboard, to create my own shiftbox. It's the perfect length away from the shifter, but close to the fingers without being uncomfortable. Picture below.



In case you want to know, the Orange SHOULD be solenoid A, and the yellow SHOULD be Solenoid B, but I'm not 100% sure, it's been so long. 

The shifting pattern goes as follows

Solenoid A ON, Solenoid B ON = First gear
Solenoid A OFF, Solenoid B ON = second gear
Solenoid A OFF, Solenoid B OFF = Third gear
Solenoid A ON, Solenoid B OFF = Overdrive/Fourth.


Take it slow and figure out which solenoid is A before you take it for a test drive. With this, the line pressure is at 100%, so your shifts are going to be rough, and straight to the point. No comfort here, just power.  If your TCU is in working order, unplug it.  Just the first plug will do.  If you don't, when you try to shift into third, the TCU will try to shift for you.  If you want the shift box to be switchable(as in if you want to flip a switch and control your shifts, and flip that switch off to let the TCU shift again) just find the shift solenoids power wire that actually gives the TCU power to the solenoids, and put a small toggle switch on that wire.  With the switch off, the TCU will have no power over the solenoids so you can control them as you please.  With the switch on, the TCU will have power over the solenoids and shift as normal.

Hope this helped guys! Enjoy!

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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2011, 11:55:11 AM »
Thanks for the write up.
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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2011, 12:05:38 PM »
Thanks for the write up.


No problem man.  If anyone has any other ideas or suggestions there welcome to post them here too.  Here very soon I will be creating a complete bolt in and go Automanual shifter type assembly.  Meaning it'll look like a tiptronic.  When on D the TCU will control your shifts and it'll be nice and gentle, but when slapped over to the right, you control where it shifts at 100% line pressure.  Down for upshifts, up for downshifts. 
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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2011, 09:17:29 PM »
really cool man, really cool indeed!!!

Now, replace the switches with 2 way switches that do 2 different things at once, then place them on the steering column in such a way as to have paddle shifters and, well you have paddle shifters  :)

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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2011, 09:46:00 PM »
really cool man, really cool indeed!!!

Now, replace the switches with 2 way switches that do 2 different things at once, then place them on the steering column in such a way as to have paddle shifters and, well you have paddle shifters  :)

Could just design a controller for that....
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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #5 on: February 08, 2011, 09:35:22 AM »
Someone did that a while ago but I don't think they've made any in the past year or so.

http://www.roadsurge.com/products.php

I just bought a used Hurst Promatic 2 ratchet shifter that I'm planning on using with the kiggly manumatic wiring scheme here:



Figured I'd throw that in here so these auto mods would be in the same thread.
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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2011, 11:53:44 AM »
I think making a controler would be great  :clap Makes me wish I was better with electronic components :(
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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2011, 10:53:16 PM »
Wow... Such harsh words by the OP.  Yes, better shift box versions do cost over $100 but you can't accidentally shift out of sequence causing a neutral drop which can damage the transmission or engine.  And....yes, you can go to your local radioshack and pick up some toggle switches and wire for around $15.  The 2 button shift box has WAY more than 2 switches in it.  I am the original designer and creator of the roadsurge box and FYI, there is little profit gained from the shift boxes....that is why I work out of my shed...not a HUGE shop.  The circuit board alone with no components is $15. 

Quoted : "That's it.  Seriously, that's all a shift box is.  Nice of them to charge over $100 for basically the same thing right?" 

My question is..... Wouldn't you charge a little more than what it costs to make?  If you spent hours and hours of time and several hundred dollars into a project, would you sell it at cost?  User friendly, durable, and a lifetime warranty....it is worth it.   Did you know you could build your own SAFC for around $20....but yet you spend hundreds....hmmmm

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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2011, 02:42:52 PM »
You know, you aren't a very good businessman.  You aren't professional at all, literally tracking my thread down on every forum I post about helping people make their own shift box.  To be honest, it seems like you're a little pissed off that I posted this so everyone could see it and do it instead of keeping it quiet where only a select few could do it themselves, and the rest would buy your box?  And don't try this bullshit of "oh that's not it at all" because if you didn't care, you wouldn't be on a forum you have NO RIGHT to be apart of and NOTHING OF VALUE to add at all.  You are not a Jackal user, you do not have an Ostrich..why are you here?  This is a sad attempt to "defend" your product, when I never..ever called out your product by name.


And by the way, comparing your shit box and a homemade shift box, to building your own SAFC doesn't make a damn bit of sense, for one building my own SAFC doesn't offer direct timing and AFR control, and complete control of the ECU, and for two it doesn't offer genuine pressure based Speed Density.  For that matter, I didn't spend "hundreds" on my Ostrich.  It's not ECMScam here where they charge hundreds and hundreds more for shit that has already been out for YEARS as COMMON KNOWLEDGE.


Oh wait...that sounds exactly like what you are doing with your roadsurge box?  Are you buddies with Thomas Dorris by any chance?  If not, you two would get along great, you've got the same business plan.  Find other people that are doing the same thing as your product does, but for hundreds cheaper, and try to poke holes in what they are doing, and attempt to show why your product is worth hundreds more, instead of just realizing that these are do-it-yourself'ers who don't see the need to spend more money for the same thing, and feel confident in what they are doing enough to know if they fuck something up, it's their own fault, which, is bullshit btw.  If you are not smart enough to know what the shift pattern is, chances are you aren't going to be smart enough to know how to wire this shit up in the first place.  You'll still get people that buy your little box, and you'll earn your profit, so what the hell does it matter if people are making their own?  I mean really?  You REALLY thought it was worth your time to pick out my post on THREE seperate forums to try to swell your ego and boost your products sales?  Really dude? 

GTFO of here with your petty bullshit. 


and FYI, I was selling my own little shiftbox concoction for $5 over what I spent to make it.  So yeah, I'd charge a little more, but you will not find a single post on any forum anywhere where I specifically said "Don't buy this, buy my product instead because of blah blah blah". 
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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2011, 05:40:22 PM »
I was not trying to make this a  :censored post.  I was just stating the facts for those who may not know.  It is like me trying to sell a product but never saying what the bad stuff that could happen was.   Their are posts out there with problems the shift box has as well.  There are not as many, but there are some.  I don't run them in the ground for posting their complaints.  I do understand your point if they don't understand the shift patterns, they probably don't know how to wire up their own.  There are plenty of other posts on how to wire your own shift box up, but none of them bash other companies or products and state how they are just in it for the profit.

And for the record, I am not scamming anyone as you have stated in your third paragraph.  I am selling a product that makes shifting an auto manually easier with simple controls and optional paddle shifting or external shifter of their choice that is really easy to install and use.  I just find it concerning that you have stated that "Nice of them to charge over $100 for basically the same thing right?".  Who is them?  I only know of one other shift box that is $500+ which is actually not even sold anymore unless specifically requested.  So I guess that leaves mine.

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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2011, 07:13:40 PM »
I was not trying to make this a  :censored post.  I was just stating the facts for those who may not know.  It is like me trying to sell a product but never saying what the bad stuff that could happen was.   Their are posts out there with problems the shift box has as well.  There are not as many, but there are some.  I don't run them in the ground for posting their complaints.  I do understand your point if they don't understand the shift patterns, they probably don't know how to wire up their own.  There are plenty of other posts on how to wire your own shift box up, but none of them bash other companies or products and state how they are just in it for the profit.

And for the record, I am not scamming anyone as you have stated in your third paragraph.  I am selling a product that makes shifting an auto manually easier with simple controls and optional paddle shifting or external shifter of their choice that is really easy to install and use.  I just find it concerning that you have stated that "Nice of them to charge over $100 for basically the same thing right?".  Who is them?  I only know of one other shift box that is $500+ which is actually not even sold anymore unless specifically requested.  So I guess that leaves mine.

Any product which sells over 200% cost, IMHO is a scam. However scam is a relative term, and it is up to the OP to decide if the price of a product does not reflect its value to the user, not you.

Omnipower comes to mind, 120$ for a map sensor, whose cost of parts is at BEST 30$. I source my setup, and drill my own holes, use grommets, costs me about 18 a unit, sell for 35. Hell, my pcb boards cost $2.50, I could get them for $1.00 but I'd have to buy a platter.

If you have nothing to offer this thread, I suggest you take your  :shit storm with you. As always, do not feed the trolls.
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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #11 on: July 16, 2011, 08:40:39 AM »
He's not the one out of line here, the person bashing him was, and now so are you.

Speaking of scams, you guys said 'preorder now for $100, the normal price will be 200!'.  Wow what a deal, wait a minute, it comes out and then it's 'pay your other $100 and it's yours'.  No where in that post did I see 'down payment of 100 if you're too stupid to just wait'.

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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2011, 11:43:33 AM »
I don't have to explain myself to you, or Tim. Derail this any further and everyone gets a suspension.
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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2011, 12:51:16 PM »

Are you buddies with Thomas Dorris by any chance?   

Hahah, i was thinking the same thing.


Any product which sells over 200% cost, IMHO is a scam.


Hell yea, exactly.  The "trans boost controller" is another that comes to mind. Cost me about $20 and what do those suckers run haha.

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Re: Make your own Shift-Box
« Reply #14 on: July 16, 2011, 03:37:55 PM »
I shift mine with toggle switches and I love it.  You just have to be careful of when you shift, as it's hard on the clutches to shift at full boost at low RPM's (peak torque).  The only thing that sucks is the delay, which is the biggest issue in lower gears since the RPM's go up so quickly.

I've also done some retuning of the TCU with burning chips with my Burn1 & using my Ostrich emulator.