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Autotalon

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2-step?
« on: October 29, 2011, 10:50:11 AM »
I was wondering if anyone has done this with werewolf yet? If so, can you post a write up for the rest of us?

Thanks.
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2011, 04:46:34 PM »
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2011, 05:16:55 PM »
Ha ha ha. very funny, M f-er.  :shakefist  :censored  :shit storm

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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2011, 09:04:25 AM »
at least try to find a video with a hottie Hak, jeez...

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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2011, 09:32:07 PM »
It wouldn't have been as funny though.

But seriously all the lango

2step, antilag, studderbox, what is it and what are you missing ?
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2011, 11:12:45 AM »
Not sure exactly of what needs to be done. It would in effect retard timing to a set # while brake torquing. say 5* while making boost and the brake depressed. I think someone mentioned that it would be tied into the vss. I was thinking of using the timing connector by the battery wired to a switch, but don't know if that would even work. The whole point is to build boost faster without pulling through the brakes. once the brake is released then timing would go to where it should be to make power.
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2011, 12:17:53 PM »
anti lag.

You can put the brake switch to pin 104 .. to use the nlts limiter.

I'm going to rename all the limiters anyways, VSS based, Pin 104 Based, etc.

This weekend is looking good imho, I've almost got the house settled down to be able to code like I used to, *GASP*.
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2011, 01:42:27 PM »
Pin 104 is the neutral safety switch, which is in use for auto cars already. Can you explain how it will work?
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2011, 08:25:56 PM »
Rip out your TCU and use pin 104 for anything you want ?

Real issue is there isn't a lot of inputs on the ECU that are extra... I think there is 1 extra ADC (can read voltage) and like 2 on/offs.
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2011, 11:30:14 AM »
With a M/T ECU I don't think it would be looked at either way.  My impression was that it was only to tell the ECU when the car is in D so it can move the ISC in advance to keep the idle from dropping.  I don't think it works on mine since the idle falls a couple hundred rpm.

Either way I will be trying it before the weekend.
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2011, 12:04:08 PM »
Interesting... Let me know what you find. My thought was the ECU didn't matter so much as the harness, the auto harness would have a wire that plugs into the ECU thereby activating the NSS.
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #11 on: November 01, 2011, 09:14:07 PM »
I did a test on my manual ECU today and it IS the harness that matters. I tried to start the car in drive and it would not go. Had to be in neutral or park.
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2011, 09:30:33 PM »
Why would you start an auto in drive ? Everything else worked ?
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #13 on: November 04, 2011, 09:30:00 PM »
Mine never started in neutral or drive(original auto car) to being with, and is exactly the same now with the brake switch wired to pin 104 for nlts.  I think it goes to another chassis piece that controls the starter switch.

Anyway, it didn't work how I wanted.  When you are at a stop and VSS reads 0mph, it goes to the stutterbox rpm, even if the NLTS rpm is lower.  It only uses the NLTS limit rpm when the VSS is reading, and that was verified by revving in neutral while rolling and pressing the brake pedal.

Found a bug, too.  When you uncheck the stutterbox "box" yet still have the NLTS checked, it will always be on the NLTS rpm limit while the vehicle is moving no matter if pin 104 sees ground or not.  The only way it goes to the standard rev limit is if you are at a complete stop.   Again, pin 104 doesn't change anything.

A brake switch activated stutterbox or having the NLTS work while the VSS reads 0 would make what I'm trying to do possible; immediately disengage the launch rev limit when you let off the brakes instead of waiting for the laggy VSS to read.

I'm half tempted to hook something up to spin the speedometer cable while at the track :p
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Re: 2-step?
« Reply #14 on: November 04, 2011, 11:08:13 PM »
Mine never started in neutral or drive(original auto car) to being with, and is exactly the same now with the brake switch wired to pin 104 for nlts.  I think it goes to another chassis piece that controls the starter switch.

Anyway, it didn't work how I wanted.  When you are at a stop and VSS reads 0mph, it goes to the stutterbox rpm, even if the NLTS rpm is lower.  It only uses the NLTS limit rpm when the VSS is reading, and that was verified by revving in neutral while rolling and pressing the brake pedal.

Found a bug, too.  When you uncheck the stutterbox "box" yet still have the NLTS checked, it will always be on the NLTS rpm limit while the vehicle is moving no matter if pin 104 sees ground or not.  The only way it goes to the standard rev limit is if you are at a complete stop.   Again, pin 104 doesn't change anything.

A brake switch activated stutterbox or having the NLTS work while the VSS reads 0 would make what I'm trying to do possible; immediately disengage the launch rev limit when you let off the brakes instead of waiting for the laggy VSS to read.

I'm half tempted to hook something up to spin the speedometer cable while at the track :p


Nah gimme a day to look.. ntls should be independant of the studderbox as long as its not enabled.

Did you have pin 104 free floating in the air to make sure the brake switch isn't an on/off, instead of an off/on... cause it doesn't make a lot of sense that the ntls rev limiter was always in use unless either the switch is connected till its pressed, or maybe you attached to the ground side of the switch in the circuit.

If you T'd into the circuit you'll have to use a diode.
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